Apostle Paul The Deceiver Teaches A New Gospel
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Betrayal of Jesus-Paul vs Yahshua
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Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.A Scribe is a record keeper, a person who copies out document, A writer.
Paul was both a Scribe and a Pharisee
Jeremiah 8:
8. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. 9. The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
Paul Says It Is According To HIS Gospel
2 Timothy 2
8. Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: (Paul)
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
John 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Acts 26:9
I (Paul) verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.
Paul did think about it often and acted on that desire to destroy Yahshua's influence and become a stumbling block to those who sought God.
Saul changed his name to Paul So He Could Go Among Them
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
In Numbers Balaam told Balak that in the latter days, a Star would come and destroy his people. In order to prevent this he should have his women mingle with the Israelites and seduce them away from God
Numbers 24: 14-17
14. And now, behold, I go unto my people: come therefore, and I will advertise thee what this people shall do to thy people in the latter days......17. I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
Numbers 25: 1-18
Balaam advised, to send the Moabite women to the Israelites, to seduce them to immorality and idolatry, so that they would forget God and lose His favor.
1. And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. 2. And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods 3. And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel...18. For they vex you with their wiles, wherewith they have beguiled you in the matter of Peor.
Because He was promised by God, Yahshua couldn't be stopped, Again darkness would lead people to worship Idols in order to stop the worship of the one True God and Father. This time it would come through separation and the teaching of false doctrines. If people thought they were doing what they were supposed to do, they would never seek the truth.
Yahshua Preached The Kingdom Of Heaven and for anyone to enter in they would have to do the Will of God the Father
Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 5:10
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Yahshua always taught to love God the Father and to do His (God) will.
Barnabas and Paul
Acts 11:1-30
When Peter converted many Gentiles, the church in Jerusalem heard about it and sent Barnabas as far as Antioch. When Barnabas got there he was happy because of God's mercy. Barnabas was a man filled with the Holy Ghost and had faith. Barnabas it seems wanted to convert Saul so he went to Tarsus to find him. He brought him back to the church that had formed in Antioch and Barnabas and Saul stayed there for one year.
God Didn't Want People To Think That, What The Apostles Taught Was The Same As Paul So He Separated Them *see below
1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Acts 13:1-3
There were some prophets who came to Antioch and as they were fasting and praying the Holy Ghost told them to separate Barnabas and Paul, from the church, so they could do the work God had called them for.
2. As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. 3. And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
Remember, Judas was called by God to fulfill prophecy.
Barnabas and Paul went to Salamis and were with John to minister. A man wanted to hear the word of God from Saul now Paul, and a man whose name (Elymas), means Enchanter, tried to prevent the man from listening to them. Paul didn't like this, he called him names and blinded him. (Paul was afraid Elymas would reveal the truth about him)
When they left, John departed from them.
Paul and Barnabas went to Antioch to the church. They were asked if they had anything to say to encourage. Paul immediately stood up and starting preaching.
Remember that Luke wrote most or all of Acts and Luke was a close friend of Paul as was Mark, Timothy and others.
They say, the Jews threw them out of the area because they (The Jews) envied the fact that Paul and Barnabas drew big crowds of people. But it was because Paul taught that by just believing in Yahshua they are free from the law and are justified in all things.
It was the Gentiles and the Jews that knew He was teaching contrary to the Word of God.
Paul States That He was the chosen light for the Gentiles and would bring salvation to the ends of the earth. Yet In Acts 10 God chose Peter and at the same time that He told Peter, He also told others.
Acts 13:47
47. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth
Paul taught he laid the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets. Where is God in salvation?
1 Corinthians 3:10
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
Paul's New Gospel Of Grace
No one had ever heard of Paul's Gospel before, as it was something new. The Twelve Apostles didn't teach it and certainly, never did Yahshua.
Paul Taught all we had to do was have faith and didn't have to seek righteousness
Ephesians 2:5
5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
But John Says
John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
Paul taught that the commandments had been abolished
Ephesians 2:8-16
8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.
15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16. And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby
Romans 7:1-29
1. Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2. For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man..........16. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me 21. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8:7
7. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Christ said
Matthew 5:48
48. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect
John Wrote
1 John 2:1-28
3. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him
5. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
7. Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
The Curse?
Paul said the Law is a Curse
Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
But the book of John says we are cursed without the law
John 7:49
But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.
Paul says telling lies is OK as long as it's to God's glory.
Romans 3:7, 23, 24
7. For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner
When Paul says that ALL have sinned, ha has to mean Yahshua too.
23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Paul claims our sins are justified through Yahshua
24. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Paul says as long as Christ is preached, it can be in pretence or truth and either way it will be counted for his salvation.
Philippians 1:18-19
18. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
19. For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Revelation 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:Paul tells then if they are circumcised Christ won't do them any good because they are under the law. If the are under the law they CAN'T be under Grace. In other words you can't keep the law and be under grace. That if you keep the law you will fall from grace.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers,(This word means poisoner) and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Galatians 5:2-5
2. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith
And yet in Acts it says he takes Timothy to be circumcised
Acts 16:3
3. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.
The Words Of Yahshua (Jesus)
Matthew 13:25
25. But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way
God said not to muzzle the oxen when they tread on the grain. In other words God cares for the anumals and it would be cruel to muzzle them. But Paulsaid God didn't really mean it.
Deuteronomy 25:4
Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn. See also Proverbs 12:10
1 Corinthians 9:9-10
9. For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10. Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
But God Doesn't Lie
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Paul said Yahshua (Jesus) was cursed
Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Paul is a Jew
Acts 22:3
I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
Paul is a Roman
Acts 22:27
Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.
Acts 21:39
But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people (Rome)
Paul Mistaken for a Egyptian
Acts 21:38
Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
The Anti-Christ *
*Read 1 John 2
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time
19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Acts 13
There were some prophets who came to Antioch and as they were fasting and praying the Holy Ghost told them to separate Barnabas and Paul, from the church, so they could do the work God had called them for.
Who is the Anti-Christ? Apostle Paul. Remeber Yahshua said he was already in the world not someone to come in the future.
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For those who feel I have a misunderstanding of scripture: I first entered the Christian church when I was 16 years old. I started reading scripture when I was 14. Some things Paul wrote didn't sit right with me. I continued seeking God our Father For Truth. He led me out of the Pauline doctrine and showed me Paul's errors and why he was allowed to be part of the Bible. I found a deeper Truth. I wanted to share it with those who want to know. I wish everyone well.
Apostle Paul And The Number 666
- Apostle Paul The Deceiver And The Number 666
I know this article will cause many attacks from the followers of Paul's doctrine. I have already been told I am
Do You Still Believe Paul?
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Hi Deb.I've read that John was and is the main focus of many Gnostic groups.As usual you have given me much to ponder.What do you suppose was Paul's"Thorn in the flesh"?
Thanks
Dean
I really appreciate all the work that you have put into this. Everyone that I have ever known with that name has been a little shady.
Another great work you have done. I am posting these on FaceBook because I have someone hounding me and teling that I am lying. Wellhe is just one of many. He wrote a debate page about me and it was fun at first but then now is becoming an EGO trip for him and I just an not into that type of stuff.
So here goes this one to FaceBook.
I pray that you can entertain a viewpoint that differs from your own. If we follow your logic of picking and choosing what parts of the bible are true, the entire work unravels and we are left without an anchor, adrift on the sea of not knowing for certain. If however the entire bible is true we need to reconcile these so called heresies as in fact being true. Is it possible that it is our ability to think and reason that is flawed and not the word of God?
Paul's gospel of Grace is not different from that taught by Jesus and the apostles. We can do nothing to earn salvation. It is the gift of God. The law was given to point out our sinfulness. It could never bring salvation because all have sinned and fallen short. The fact that Jesus came to fulfill the law not abolish it does not conflict with Pauls inspired teachings. As James stated faith without works is dead. Paul was not contradicting that. If it is by works that we are justified then Christ died in vein.
L.G.
Don't let them use 1 & 2 Peter to prove anything. The style is of Paul. That book says things Peter wouldn't have.
Also Peter was a fisherman and the the books of Peter are too educated. Plus there is more Greek language
Remember God's people will see, the others will not . It could take two or yrs for them to see. But it shouldn't.
In His Name
Fred thank you for commenting
Pick and choose? I cow;d'n put all of the verses of the Bible here. I gave verses and explained a little so each could open the Bible and read for themselves.
Why did I write ? We are to warn people of false prophets.
1 John 2
3. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked
1 John 3
5. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous
8. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Fred it would be nice if you could do the same and see other views than your own.
Show me one example where Paul said sin was fine because we are saved by grace and you may be able to cause me to reconsider. If that happens I will scrap the whole thing because if I can't trust it all how do I determine which parts are TRUTH? Nice shot "lady Guinivere" Very well thought out and stated. I was simply responding to a hub. I have every intent to give consideration to a differing viewpoint. That is exactly why I read this hub after seeing the title. Truth will stand regardless of who states it. If a liar says Jump off this roof and you will hit the ground, does the fact that it was stated by a liar make it untrue? The same is true of a lie. If a truth teller is wrong and states an untruth does the intent of the teller make a lie truth? I have presented the case for what I know. You decide what you believe. I will believe the word of God. Not the parts I think are true while the rest is a lie. If it isn't all true, It isn't true at all. I am not qualified to decide which parts are true and which are not. Are you?
Paul taught something a little different to every church. Read Numbers, Isaiah, and Daniel. Paul is spoken of in their prophecies
1 John 3:4
4. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law 5. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin 6. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
John 7:49
But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.
But Paul said
Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Yahshua nor any other Apostle taught this.
The law is God's law. Which is every word that proceeded out of the out of God.
Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Faith is not the law.
Paul said His mind serves God's Law, but his body the law of Sin
There isn't two different laws
Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
He said there are two minds and one is the enemy of God
Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be
Yahshua said has no part in sin
Matthew 5:30
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell
Paul said works doesn't matter just the law of faith. No one else spoke a law of faith that replaced doing good deed.
Romans 3:27
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed
Revelation 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Revelation 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Deborah- Let me start by saying it is very gracious of you to approve my comment. If you are right, the facts will bear witness. The same is true of my viewpoint. Let us continue until it is no longer profitable.
1 John 3:4 Have you ever met or heard of a person that doesn't sin? If he is not speaking of a lifestyle that devoted to God but is instead demanding sinless perfection, all is lost and not one can be saved. 1 John ch1 talks about confessing our sins and how if we claim to be without sin we make God out to be a liar and the truth is not in us. It is clear that grace because of the sacrifice of Christ is what opens the door to salvation. It is faith that walks us through that door. John 3:16 Whosoever Believes.
In Romans Paul is pointing out that the pathway to obedience of the law is through the love of God who sent His son to be our atoning sacrifice. Do you know anybody that doesn't struglle with the flesh? The carnal mind is at enmity with God it is only when we become born again that we receive grace and power through the Holy Spirit that we can begin a life that is marked by obedience. Paul states in Romans 8 that we have an obligation but it is not to the sinful nature, for if we live according to it we will die. He goes on to say that if "by the Spirt we put to death the misdeeds of the body we will live."
If Jesus was being literal in the cut the hand off pluck the eye out Would any of us be able to enter in with eyes and hands intact? Jesus said He came to preach the "good news" If it wasn't grace through faith but instead it was based on perfect obedience how could that be good news. No one could possibly attain it.
Paul is saying the same thing Jesus taught in John 3. His 2 "New" commands that sum up the law and the prophets support the fact of what Paul taught in Romans 8. It describes a lifestyle. Not perfect obedience. Love. It has always been our hearts that God is after. These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Jesus was a friend of sinners. He didn't come to save the righteous. There are none who are righteous. If you love me you will obey my teaching. Love. Same thing Paul says. 1 cor 13. Paul agreed with James about I will show you my FAITH by what I do. Romans 8.
I think you are a genuine seeker. I hope we can meet on common ground. I pray that we don't have to remove 2/3 of the new testament to accomplish that.
Thank you again for your graciousness!
Fred
1 John 3:3-7
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous
This isn't saying we are automatically purified because we hope in Yahshua.
It means when we REALLY put our Hopes in him, that we purify ourselves. If we really love God, we will love others. If we can't love others, we need to draw closer to God.
It says sin is the transgression of the Law.
Christ was manifest to take away our sins. He showed us how to live a sinless life. The secret to keeping God's Law is love. If we love God, ourselves, and others we won't kill them or steal from them etc., we'll obey the words of the prophets.
Christ showed us how to fulfill the law. But we have to fulfill it too. When we do things in love we become righteous. It is the hardest thing to do. But Christ said to love our enemies.
Take a look at a child that is four years old. That's a child of God. We are to become like that child. They are pure, innocent, trusting and loving. They break no Laws.
In verse 9 where he says whoever is born of God (Becomes like a child, starts over) can not sin. It means that to a child of God, sin is repulsive. We just can't bring ourselves to sin.
The law shows us what and what not to do. If we do them we are of the devil.
It doesn't say that sin isn't counted against us if we are born of God. Simply that we can't bring our selves to do wrong.
That we can and must be like Christ is GOOD NEWS
Yes, there are people who don't sin. Christ didn't, My mother didn't, and others
In verse 10 it says: In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Verse 18 Tells us to love in deed. Deed is action. Protect and help them don't kill them or hate them. Give to them what they need, don't steal from them.
Verse 22 speaks for itself "And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight"
Keep his commandments. It's speaking to those who are born of God. We have to keep his commandments.
When Moses Law was given, people didn't know how to keep them, they didn't think they could. Yahshua showed that someone in the flesh could keep the law through love.
We are the dwelling place for God's Holy Spirit. The Kingdom of God is within.
If we sin (transgress the law) we cannot enter into the Kingdom (Be one with God0
Every time we do wrong our heart lets us know
Verse 21. says Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
Yahshua said the way is narrow
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it
Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
Do you still believe 2/3 of the new testament is heresy? My entire reason for writing a response was to express the view that Paul was not a false apostle and he taught the same gospel as the others and even Christ Himself. As for people who don't sin, I respectfully disagree. There are none. If anyone claims to be with out sin he makes God out to be a liar and the truth is not in him 1 John Ch 1. Most everything you said is gospel truth. I don't disagree with the scriptures, maybe I disagree with your interpretation of some of them but my major point of contention is your view of the bible and Pauls contribution as inspired by the Spirit of God.
Paul didn't teach what the rest did. Especially Yahshua.
It is up to you.
Yes we have all sinned because we are born into sin, we learn by examples. Your focus is on this and you don't see where he says he who sins is not of God. Yahshua didn't sin. I and my family never witnessed my mother sin in her life, she showed only LOVE.
Sit down and read Romans 5. Paul wrote this and has a twisted way of seeing everything.
I don't expect you to believe me. Paul's writings were put in there by Nicea.. Maybe so God could know who would follow Christ by knowing the word.
Ask yourself who is the evil one, the wicked one they overcame by knowing the word. That means someone was doing or saying something that they could discern through the word.
In answer to Cheaptrick's question. In II Corinthians 12:7, it reads:
...there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, ----- the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. The answer is a messenger of Satan. Check out the word buffet.
Dean (CheapTrick) I did not mean to pass over you. Sorry
In 2 Corinthians 12. The man Paul talks about who was caught up in paradise was Stephen. See Acts 7: 56-60 Paul said Acts 22:20 "And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him"
After The Holy Ghost revealed to the prophets that they were to send Paul and Barnabas away from them because he had a work for them (Paul, Barnabas)(To fulfill the prophecy) Acts 13:1-3
The people who knew the word of God and that Paul was a false Apostle, warned each other to separate from him.
Paul wanted to be like Stephen but he wasn't able to overcome his flesh, weakness, disbelief, anger, lies. deceit etc and he counted as enemies those who wouldn't believe he was of God. They were his Satan (adversaries)
You can see the ones he says buffets him In 2 Corinthians 12 Verses 11 & 12 Paul says he is equal to the best Apostle
And that he did all the signs of an Apostle
It seems in the remaining verses that he had asked for money in the past (offering) but says he won't again
He states he was crafty and guiled them.
Paul himself is the thorn is his own flesh but is blaming the Apostles. (many who knew the word of God rejected Paul)
Even those who followed turn had already turned away.
Where does self accountability come into all this? Does Jesus say that we shall reap what we sow? When we divide guess what happens. When we show love fore our neighbors and they self what do you think happens? When Paul wrote and went to the many churches she didn't teach that LOVE ONE ANOTHER, he tore them down and divided them, much like the churches do today. Lifiting each other up and dividing them from each other causes hatred and we see that all over the place. Jesus didn't like the clergy of his day....do you think he would lke the ones we have now---I doubt it very seriously.
oh boy, I just read over my comment and ther are many erros. Paul is a HE not a she.
Just typos L.G.
I don't quit understand why you don't believe that paul was truly converted. He was filled with the Holy Ghost and preached the gospel as strongly as the other apostles. knowing scripture isn't the same as believing.
Acts 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Acts 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
Acts 13:4 So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.
Acts 13:5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.
Acts 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
Acts 13:7 Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God.
Acts 13:8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.
Acts 13:9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,
Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
Acts 13:11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
Acts 13:12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.
I covered that in both my hubs. Paul, like Judas Iscariot, was called to fulfill a propechy
The truth will make you free!
Poptart, Thanks for commenting. The truth will indeed make you free
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
I agree, the truth will make you free. But what, exactly, does 'free' truly mean?
Thanks for commenting English. In this case "Free" means holding some truth to be able to worship the Father and not a doctrine of man. To know scripture. To not be lost
Captain Jimmy, you stated: "I don't quit understand why you don't believe that paul was truly converted. He was filled with the Holy Ghost and preached the gospel as strongly as the other apostles."
So if a prisoner in today's society went on some religious journey/speil about being saved after he committed murder, would you also call that he has the Holy Spirit in him and listen to all his words? Just something to think about.
Many of those murderers and rapist and thugs that are in our prison system claim to have the Holy Ghost in them and when let out they continue where they left off before they got in the prison system in the first place. Now today we have the media that will catch them right quick on this, but back in those times there wasn't such. We don't know all the things that Paul did and most times the Romans would cover up (or put on crosses to die or some other form of torture) anyone that would make them look bad.
Again, just something to think about.
"I agree, the truth will make you free. But what, exactly, does 'free' truly mean?"
Your thoughts betray your adversarial intentions. If you actually agreed you would actually understand, and if you actually understood you wouldn't be questioning the meaning of the statement. Just like the "apostle" Paul, you cloak your intentions with synergistic statements in an effort to conceal your desire to create confusion, discord, and division within the ranks of those you've secretly declared your personal war against. Paul may have believed he was a Christian just as many other did, but his underlying desire was to destroy that which his enemies loved the most-the gospel of Christ. Truth is Absolute, and either you receive it or you don't and no explanation will make a bit of difference. Micha-El?
Michael as I explained above "In this case "Free" means holding some truth to be able to worship the Father and not a doctrine of man. To know scripture. To not be lost"
I do not desire to cause confusion. My intention is to help people see the difference in Paul's and Yahshua's teachings so they can follow the true doctrine of Yahshua.
Our Father see's my heart and I don't care if you judge me. I know our Father sees your judgment of me.
If you feel hate because of that, it is within you and not me.
I have no secret agenda and don't wear a cloak.
So good to find people who also know the truth about Paul the deceiver. There aren't very many of us.
I grew up in a christian home, started reading the Bible some as a teenager, but began serious study about the past 15 years or so.
Many of Paul's writings have always bothered me.
I'd like to post some of them here.
In Colossians 1:24 Paul says: "Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for His body's sake, which is the church"
"that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ" ???!!! Some translations say "that which was lacking" When Yahshua was on the cross before He took His last breath He said, "It is finished" Who did Paul think he was to say that the afflictions of Yahshua were incomplete? And that his (Paul's) sufferings "filled up that which was behind (or lacking) This is blasphemous.
The requirements the TRUE apostles used for being an apostle when they were to choose a replacement for Judas was that it had to be someone who had seen the risen Lord AND someone who had been with them from the
beginning, from the baptism of John. Paul CLAIMS to have seen the risen Lord, but even if you believe his story that still leaves the other requirement, he had to be with Yahshua from the beginning, beginning with His baptism by John. Paul was not. Why do so many overlook this?
Paul tells us that one day is as good as another, but God tells us to honor the seventh day, the sabbath day to keep it holy. This was from the beginning of creation, not just for the children of Israel.
God says:
Genesis 17:10
"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised."
Paul says:
Galatians 5:2 "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing."
Deuteronomy 13:1-5
"1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee."
Paul continually refers to what he calls "my gospel"
In telling us that we only need "grace through faith" to be saved, Paul is indeed telling us to believe "his gospel" and serve ANOTHER Jesus.
Yahshua clearly says in Matthew 7:21
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Just as God put in the garden of eden the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and gave Adam and Eve a choice, so also He has allowed Paul's writings to be in our Bible. He "proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul."
Who will you choose, God the Father and His Son Yahshua (Jesus), or Paul the deceiver, who tries to usurp the authority of the Father and Son?
Maybe it is you who is the false prophet?
Cdscoffee No, I am not an Apostle because I wasn't with Yahshua when he was baptized, I wasn't taught by him, and I wasn't with him until he was taken up. And neither was Paul
Maybe it is just that you need to study the Bible.
I doubt if you even read my hub, just saw the title and responded
From reading your words its is obvious you see the fallacy in the teachings of Paul. You have openly pointed out the opposition between the doctrine of Paul and Jesus. Why do you think this is so difficult for anyone to understand?
Most feel the Old Testement is done away with and never study it. Because of this, they can't see where Paul misrepresents God's word.
Also the English Bibles have been altered.
Some people just don't belong to God, and some believe everything they have been taught.
Thank you for commenting Handyman
Without question I believe there have been alterations to slant doctrine to be compatible with the teachings of Paul. Yet the basis of modern day Christianity is on the sacrifice of Jesus.
This being founded when Abraham was about to sacrifice
Issac. I contend that this has been misinterpreted, I believe God prevented Abraham and his arrogance from killing his son by having the ram caught up in the thicket. I say why would God be a hypocrite to his own words thou shall not kill? In the Garden of Eden nothing was said of killing any person or animal. Plus anyone that accepts the words of Jesus realizes he supported forgiveness not murder. What do you see in this?
Abraham wasn't arrogant. God had already made his promise to Abraham about his seed and Isaac. Abraham loved and believed God. God had no intention of letting Isaac be killed. He wanted to see if Abraham trusted him. And he did. Abraham told Isaac that God would provide the lamb. Abraham knew to trust, and be led by God. When Abraham showed God His faith in Him by doing the works he was told to do, God's angel stopped Abraham (as Abraham knew He would)
Abraham had faith and did the works, and Abraham's works showed his faith. Abraham passed God's test.
Exodus 21-23
Could you please guide me to where in scripture that Abraham was told by God that, "God would provide a lamb in his stead?" I do not find it. From this killing of the Lamb three theologies Judaism, Christianity and Islam justify there own sacrificial theology. From Abrahams actions all three believe under certain circumstances it is all right to kill. Within Jewish law of the slitting of the throat is established as the best manner of killing. I believe this whole thing is rather barbaric but yet all three theologies accept the killing of humans, being justified within their own theology while teaching God's commandment of thou shall not kill. Only three people I am aware of that do not advocate sacrifice of life is Jesus who was killedBuddha and Confucius. The Five Precepts of the Buddhist code of ethics are commitments to abstain from killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying and intoxication. The precepts contain 4 of the ten commandments laid out in a different way. Eastern religion does not seem to be as violent as western religions. Let me know what you think.
Genesis 22:8
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together
The Jews only believed in sacrificing lambs, not people. And they didn't even get thst from this part about Isaac and Abraham
Some animals were given for meat to eat. The reason they slit the throat is so all of the blood will pump out of the body. The Greeks do it this way too.
No Jew advocates killing without a reason.
Caiaphas the high priest of the Jews advocated the death of Jesus and was responsible for his execution. The Romans wanted to release him but only because of the insistence of the Jews was he executed. The reason was blasphemy so I guess that means if someone were to say something not in agreement they could be executed according to Jewish law as was Jesus. Please help me to understand this.
Caiaphas was appointed High Priest by the Roman Governor, and was also chairman of the high court (Sanhedrin).
Caiaphas held a hearing and accused Yahshua of blasphemy
(a capitol crime)
Priests have always helped set the laws of state.
Because Yahshua would not deny that he claimed to be the son of God, he was handed over to the Roman legal system. They found him quietly of treason because he was supposed to have claimed to be King of the Jews.
The Sadducees, Pharisees, and Essenes were not just religious branches but they were also political movements as well. They adhered to the LETTER of the law and didn't like most people and treated others as strangers.
It was not the regular Hebrew/Jew that wanted Yahshua dead, as a matter of fact, when the High Priest Council needed a witness to come forward against Yahshua there was no one that would be a witness against him. So the Priests made things up about him.
Mark 14:55
And the chief priests and all the council sought for witness against Jesus to put him to death; and found none.
The Priest envied and feared him. The everyday Jews (not in authority) loved Yahshua so much, that the Priests feared the people. A lot of people think that scripture says the Priests feared the people because the people wanted Yahshua dead. They think Yahshua was put to death because the regular Jews demanded it.
Not true, only those in authority demanded that he be put to death. Many regular Jews loved and believed Yahshua.
Mark 11:18
And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine
Luke 20:19
And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them
Luke 22:2
And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.
John 19:6
When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.
John 19:15
But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
Here are references
The Authorities Hated Yahshua
Matthew 21:15
And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the son of David; they were sore displeased,
Matthew 21:23
And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? And who gave thee this authority?
Matthew 21:45
And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
Why They Hated Him
Yahshua ate the Shewbread that belonged to the Priests
Matthew 12:4
How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Yahshua stated that the Priests profaned the Temple, which the Priests knew would anger the people.
Matthew 12:5
Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mark 15:10
For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.
Yahshua states here that the Priests and Scribes would have him killed.
Matthew 16:21
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Matthew 20:18
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
The High Priests, scribes, and Pharisees Wanted Him Dead And Since There were no witnesses against Yahshua, they paid Judas Iscariot deliver him to them
Matthew 26:3
Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,
Matthew 26:14
Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests
Matthew 26:47
And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.
Matthew 26:59
Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
Matthew 27:12
And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
Matthew 27:20
But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
Matthew 27:62
Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
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Matthew 27:3
Matthew 27:41
Thank you for your dissertation I really agree with the substance of your words. I also believe the Hebrews have a step up on other groups for many reasons. Plus a respect for them and their language of which seems to be foundational for many other languages. I read some where that Caiaphas was married to Annas's daughter and was not even Jewish but as High Priest represented the Jewish community. I really liked your point about the Romans appointing the priest, that was very good. For me, the Bible being formed by the Bishops that were also appointed by the Roman government plus the Priest really make Christianity an extension of the Roman Government by incorporating the Teachings of Jesus Christ into their doctrine.
"covered that in both my hubs. Paul, like Judas Iscariot, was called to fulfill a propechy"
this just shot my outlook on romans out the window!
guess its back in to the Hebrew Bible and stay there.
you now have my un-divided attention in these hubs. not at all what a church, I stopped attending, preached. glad I left there now.
I found something in Mark 2 that states what Jesus told us and was given the verses as to what Paul states in Romans. I commented to them that Paul said that and that if Paul was better than Jesus then why did he not come to be put on the cross for our sins. Here is the verse that is in questions.
Mark 2: 15And it came to pass, in his reclining (at meat) in his house, that many tax-gatherers and sinners were reclining (at meat) with Jesus and his disciples, for there were many, and they followed him.
16And the scribes and the Pharisees, having seen him eating with the tax-gatherers and sinners, said to his disciples, `Why -- that with the tax-gatherers and sinners he doth eat and drink?'
17And Jesus, having heard, saith to them, `They who are strong have no need of a physician, but they who are ill; I came not to call righteous men, but sinners to reformation.'
18And the disciples of John and those of the Pharisees were fasting, and they come and say to him, `Wherefore do the disciples of John and those of the Pharisees fast, and thy disciples do not fast?'
19And Jesus said to them, `Are the sons of the bride-chamber able, while the bridegroom is with them, to fast? so long time as they have the bridegroom with them they are not able to fast;
20but days shall come when the bridegroom may be taken from them, and then they shall fast -- in those days.
Thanks for commenting Dutchman.
Some people see the title of my hub and without reading or further study, call me a liar and false apostle.
But, only those who are of God, will see.
Lady G. I am confused. How are they comparing that to Paul. Give me the verses in Romans please.
For some reason my comment postede twice.
Fred Allen
Paul said he served God with the Mind but served sin with his body. He was saying it is OK to sin in the body as long as we serve God in the mind...He said different things to different churches. It depended on how much the people in the churches knew the word of God..or how easily he could fool them.
Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Paul said when he does evil, it's not him that does it, but the sin in him.
He even said ALL have sinned. That means Yahshua too. But Yahshua was without sin.
Paul said if you don't see something as wrong, than it's not!
You have to read between the lines, and see what Paul is really saying. You should compare it to what Yahshua, James, John, and Jude said
Romans 14:14
I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean
Romans 14:22
22. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth
Near the end of the hub you said that God showed you why Paul was allowed in the bible. Would you mind elaborating on what God showed you about that? Thank you for writing this hub. I can see how much time and work went into it.
This is an interesting article. The history of a conversion by a Roman Christian persecutor seemed contrived from the outset. Pauline gospel debunked by the gnostic gospels and these inconsistencies are persuasive.
Graceomalley , I explained that IN the hub. Let me know if you still can't find it.
Dear Deborah, you are one of the "few" mentioned in Matthew 7:14. You are one of the chosen. Thank you Holy Spirit for leading me to this link.
The devil deceived the whole world (Rev. 12:9) and many people are not even aware that they are being misled. Our Creator (YHVH) knew this would happen as He says through prophet Jeremiah (Jer 8:8) "How can you say we are wise and the law of "LORD" is with us"? But behold the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.
Our Creator (YHVH) created the Garden of Eden and He placed both "The tree of life" and "The tree of knowledge of good and evil" in the garden. Why???
To test Adam and Eve, their faithfulness to His commands. And He did the same with His Words.
He allowed corruption to enter into it, to test His people their faithfulness to keep/guard His commands and to seek Him only. Once again man has failed and refused to believe corruption exist.
Dear Paul followers, did Our Saviour (Yahushua) ever hint that He would give new revelations to someone after His resurrection??? Any scripture proof???
One has to question why Yahushua would spend 3 years plus in the flesh teaching the "12 chosen apostles". Why should He give new revelations to a Pharisee (Saul/Paul) who is boasting, self proclaimed foolish talker who admits he is not speaking godly wisdom.
see 2Corinth 11:17
Repent because our "final exam" is very near.
Thirst For Truth, thank you for commenting. When you said I am one of the chosen, it was spirit telling you. You hold the truth and are also a chosen adorer of God. Your comments made me very happy. It is rare to find someone who knows the word of God and can see the truth clearly as you.
God bless you
Also the scripture you chose to post is very telling, and clearly explains about the deceivers.
Gosh, Deborah, I think you might actually be a false prophet!! I'm very excited because I've never actually interacted with one. You have done a lot of research, I'll give you that. But your assertions are pretty far fetched. First, none of the authors of our Biblical texts expected us to disect their writings into bite sized little verses that we can pass around and use however we want. As soon as you start looking at verses in isolation, you separate them from the context in which they actually make sense. Once that happens, you begin to screw up the interpretation of scripture. I think you're doing that a lot here. Let's walk through it.
"Paul Says It Is According To HIS Gospel"
I think you're overreacting here. Paul is saying that he was the bearer of the good news, not that he was the source of it. Paul did nothing but preach Christ crucified. He never made himself the focus. Paul's letters make it clear that salvation is all about the crucified and resurrected Christ. So your use of John 5:43 does not apply at all.
About Acts 26:9, read the rest of Acts. Then read this verse again in context. Paul persecuted the Christians and was converted in such a way that there were eyewitnesses of his Damascus experience. After his experience, the Lord spoke to Ananias in a vision and validated Paul's conversion. Thiis critical! Ananias witnessed the scales falling from Paul's eyes! The Lord himself validated Paul's ministry to him. It's not as if Paul talked a good game and they were deceived into letting him into the camp. After sending Christians to prison and having them killed, he joins up to be persecuted and imprisoned himself? To what end?
"Saul changed his name to Paul So He Could Go Among Them"
Again, read Acts. This statement is completely untrue. Your statement makes it sounds as if Paul deceived them by pretending to be someone else and they were too stupid to know it was him. Read Acts 9:26. They knew exactly who they were dealing with. His reputation preceded him.
Paul never crept in and neither did he ever deny Jesus in any of his writings, so the verse in Jude does not apply.
"Yahshua always taught to love God the Father and to do His (God) will."
Again, context. Most of Jesus' words were before his death and resurrection. All of the verses you mention are from early in his ministry. He did not actually talk a lot about the new covenant other than to forshadow that it was coming. He was speaking to Jews who were still very much under the law. Paul, on the other hand, was converted after Jesus' resurrection. The context of his message was completely different, because the new covenant was complete.
Jeremiah wrote about this new covenant hundreds of years before Jesus showed up:
"'The day is coming,' says the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,' says the LORD.
'But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,' says the LORD. 'I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, 'You should know the LORD.' For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already,' says the LORD. 'And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.'" (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Paul was a minister of the new covenant which was built on the groundwork laid by Jesus.
"God Didn't Want People To Think That, What The Apostles Taught Was The Same As Paul So He Separated Them *see below"
Again, completely out of context. The verse in 1st John you mention has nothing to do with Paul. John wasn't saying that Paul should have stayed where they were and the fact that he left is proof that Paul was not one of them. That would have been stupid, since the goal was to spread the word to as many people as possible as fast as possible. This verse is talking about those who spent time with them in their gathering (aka church) but later fell away.
Acts 13:1-3 describes the Holy Ghost literally validating the work of Paul and Barnabas and saying that He has a mission for them! I don't see how you could interpret this any other way.
There's more, but my gosh..... I think I'll stop here. I went halfway through and didn't find a single point you made that was valid. All of your later points need the earlier points in order to stand up. As a side thing, there is no way that Paul wrote both of Peter's letters!! The writing style is completely different. Paul was very well educated and has a unique and very consistent writing style. Peter's letters totally sound like a fisherman wrote them.
The only conclusion I can come to is that you are very, very confused. I think your followers haven't bothered to check your sources and your scripture references for accuracy. If they had they would be less impressed.
For the rest of you, is there anyone who has actually read this, taken the time to go through all of her supporting scripture references, and actually buys into the premise? If so, please correct my detailed assertions above. I'm very interested in what that might look like.
Deborah, You have done a lot of research, I'll give you that. But your assertions are pretty far fetched. First, none of the authors of our Biblical texts expected us to disect their writings into bite sized little verses that we can pass around and use however we want. As soon as you start looking at verses in isolation, you separate them from the context in which they actually make sense. Once that happens, you begin to screw up the interpretation of scripture. I think you're doing that a lot here. Let's walk through it.
"Paul Says It Is According To HIS Gospel"
I think you're overreacting here. Paul is saying that he was the bearer of the good news, not that he was the source of it. Paul did nothing but preach Christ crucified. He never made himself the focus. Paul's letters make it clear that salvation is all about the crucified and resurrected Christ. So your use of John 5:43 does not apply at all.
About Acts 26:9, read the rest of Acts. Then read this verse again in context. Paul persecuted the Christians and was converted in such a way that there were eyewitnesses of his Damascus experience. After his experience, the Lord spoke to Ananias in a vision and validated Paul's conversion. Thiis critical! Ananias witnessed the scales falling from Paul's eyes! The Lord himself validated Paul's ministry to him. It's not as if Paul talked a good game and they were deceived into letting him into the camp. After sending Christians to prison and having them killed, he joins up to be persecuted and imprisoned himself? To what end?
"Saul changed his name to Paul So He Could Go Among Them"
Again, read Acts. This statement is completely untrue. Your statement makes it sounds as if Paul deceived them by pretending to be someone else and they were too stupid to know it was him. Read Acts 9:26. They knew exactly who they were dealing with. His reputation preceded him.
Paul never crept in and neither did he ever deny Jesus in any of his writings, so the verse in Jude does not apply.
"Yahshua always taught to love God the Father and to do His (God) will."
Again, context. Most of Jesus' words were before his death and resurrection. All of the verses you mention are from early in his ministry. He did not actually talk a lot about the new covenant other than to forshadow that it was coming. He was speaking to Jews who were still very much under the law. Paul, on the other hand, was converted after Jesus' resurrection. The context of his message was completely different, because the new covenant was complete.
Jeremiah wrote about this new covenant hundreds of years before Jesus showed up:
"'The day is coming,' says the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,' says the LORD.
'But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,' says the LORD. 'I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, 'You should know the LORD.' For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already,' says the LORD. 'And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.'" (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Paul was a minister of the new covenant which was built on the groundwork laid by Jesus.
"God Didn't Want People To Think That, What The Apostles Taught Was The Same As Paul So He Separated Them *see below"
Again, completely out of context. The verse in 1st John you mention has nothing to do with Paul. John wasn't saying that Paul should have stayed where they were and the fact that he left is proof that Paul was not one of them. That would have been stupid, since the goal was to spread the word to as many people as possible as fast as possible. This verse is talking about those who spent time with them in their gathering (aka church) but later fell away.
Acts 13:1-3 describes the Holy Ghost literally validating the work of Paul and Barnabas and saying that He has a mission for them! I don't see how you could interpret this any other way.
There's more, but my gosh..... I think I'll stop here. I went halfway through and didn't find a single point you made that was even slightly valid. All of your later points need the earlier points in order to stand up. As a side thing, there is no way that Paul wrote both of Peter's letters!! The writing style is completely different. Paul was very well educated and has a unique and very consistent writing style. Peter's letters totally sound like a fisherman wrote them.
Based on this, I would say that your conclusions are completely invalid.
I would be very careful about calling a child of God, a false prophet. It's blasphemy.
It's obvious you have tunnel vision and feel you have nothing to learn. Paul's letters and things written by Luke were never meant to be a part of God's words. (Bible)
The verses I posted are not out of context. Do you even know what context is? I couldn't post the whole Bible. I thought I would point them out and you could do the reading.
I will be back to comment on some of your statements.
I didn't say you were a false prophet. I said you might be... We'll see. I'm looking forward to a detailed discussion these issues. I certainly agree that you shouldn't post the whole Bible. Your post was pretty long already. I just think you've completely misunderstood what the verses you're using are actually saying. I definitely agree with going point by point. Let's just focus on the first 2 or 3 and then move on from there.
While you say that Luke's writings are suspect, you're using several verses from the book of Acts to try to prove your points. Either it's reliable or it's not. Let's pick one and go with that. If it's not, how about you try to prove your case with books other than those you say are unreliable?
Thanks for responding. I'm looking forward to a more detailed response.
SHALOM,
According to Scripture, here is how you will know who belongs to YHVH and who belongs to satan: 1 John 3:8
the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. 1 John 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. Notes: Anyone who practice lawlessness (against the Torah) is the son of devil.
If you do not follow YHVH's Law "Torah", then what do you follow?
Cursed will be the man who has relied on anyone other than YHVH! (Jeremiah 11:3 and Jeremiah 17:5).
He who turns away his ear from listening to the law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
Yahushua said, "follow me" (John 8:12).
If we are to follow Him, we must do as He did. He obeyed every word of Torah (Matt 5:17-22).
No person can be both "Lawful" and "Unlawful". When we stand before the Judge, we will all be called to account. The standard to which we will all be judged will be YHVH's Books of Torah (Rev 20:12).
Cursed will be the man who has relied on anyone other than YHVH! (Jeremiah 11:3 and Jeremiah 17:5).
*In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with Yaohu (John.1:1). *The WORD was made flesh (John 1:14).
*Thy Law is LIGHT! (Proverbs 6:23)
*Your Torah is TRUTH! (Psalms 119:142)
*You shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free (John 8:32).
*I am the way the TRUTH and the life, nobody can come to the Father except they come through me (John 14:6).
Yaohushua is the LIFE:
*You are to obey my Laws (Torah), if a person does them, he will have LIFE through them. (Lev. 18:5)
Who do you follow, Yahushua or Paul?
DID YAHUSHUA WARN US ABOUT FALSE APOSTLES,
FALSE PROPHETS & PHARISEES?
BEWARE OF FALSE APOSTLES...
Revelation 2:1 A Letter to the Church in Ephesus
“To the messenger of the church in Ephesus, write: The one who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the one who walks among the seven gold lamp stands, says: I know what you have done—how hard you have worked and how you have endured. I also know that you cannot tolerate wicked people. You have tested those who call themselves apostles but are not apostles. You have discovered that they are liars. You have endured, suffered trouble because of My name, and have not grown weary. However, I have this against you: The love you had at first is gone. Remember how far you have fallen. Return to Me and change the way you think and act, and do what you did at first. I will come to you and take your lamp stand from its place if you don’t change. But you have this in your favour—you hate what the Nicolaitans are doing. I also hate what they’re doing.
How do we know Yaohushua was talking about Paul?
Who claimed to be an Apostle that visited the Ephesians?
Paul’s Greeting to the Church at Ephesus Ephesians 1:1 From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by God’s will. To God’s holy and faithful people who are united with Christ in the city of Ephesus.
BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS
The original 12 apostles never announced themselves as apostles.
The bible record 22 times of Paul being mentioned as an apostle of which:
20 Times being announced by himself. 1 time by Luke (Paul’s personal press secretary), 1 time by Barnabas (Paul’s own companion). Luke ever mentioned Barnabas an apostle (1 time). But, none of the original 12 Apostles of Yaohushua ever called Paul an Apostle.
Peter only allegedly called him brother, which sometimes it seemed that they were in agreement. Yahushua had hinted us about this. (See Matthew 24:24) For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even YHVH's chosen ones.
(Notes: The 12 original apostles also called “ YHVH’s chosen one”.)
Romans 14:5 (Paul's word)
"Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind", (Notes: a very disturbing statement. We are to follow YHVH’s command, not persuaded by our own minds.)
PAUL TEACHES AGAINST KEEPING YHVH COMMANDMENTS:
Galatians 2:21
"If righteousness came by the Law then Christ died in vain."
He is saying keeping the law won't make you righteous.
Galatians5:4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with YHVH by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Messiah! You have fallen away from YHVH's grace.
Paul is saying if we try to keep the law, we don't need Messiah.
This one scripture scares lots of people to keep the commandments in order to obtain YHVH’s grace.
Paul is calling the Ten Commandments a "ministry that brought death." 2 Corinthians 3:7
In John 14:15 Yahushua says, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
In Leviticus: 18:4-5 YHVH spoke through Moses, “ You are to perform My judgments and keep My statutes, to live in accord with them; I am YHVH your Ulhim. So you shall keep My statutes and My judgments, by which a man may live if he does them; I am YHVH”.
Proverbs 28:9
He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
ROAD TO DAMASCUS - PAUL DIFFERENT STORIES?
Acts 9:4,7 "And he fell to the earth," ... "stood speechless, hearing the voice..."
Acts 22:9 "I fell onto the ground"... "did not hear the voice..."
Acts 26:14 ... "when we had all fallen to the ground..."
HEAR THE VOICE verses DON'T HEAR THE VOICE. I FELL TO THE GROUND verses WE ALL FELL.
Same time, same story with different explanation.
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: FEAR YHVH, and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: for this is the whole duty of man.
Thank you TFT I agree with everything you said.
People don't want to believe Paul was false, because he is the only one who allows them to sin
Yes TFT, Paul told three lies about his so called conversion
Hey there, thirst for truth. Thanks for the detailed response, and good job avoiding the bad books of the Bible. It's definitely an improvement. Clearly you put a lot of effort into it.
I'm happy to read this, but how about we start with someone actually responding to my questions and showing me specifically where I am in error with my earlier comments? You listed some verses that I said were taken out of context. I'm sure you disagree, so please explain to me how I misunderstood the verses you were using. By throwing a whole host of new verses at me while not addressing any of my earlier concerns, you seem to be simply sending up a smoke screen to distract me. Let's just try to make some sense of Deborah's original post since she worked so hard on it. Then we can move on to whatever else you would like me to discuss.
I avoid Paul’s epistles because they are not part of the bible. Paul justified everything he did in those letters
Yahshua said if you bear witness of yourself the witness is not true.
Paul’s letter are about him. The Gospel of the Kingdom is what Yahshua taught but not Paul.
About Paul’s Gospel. We know it was his very own gospel because it was not the doctrine taught by Yahshua (Jesus to you) and the Apostles.
There were suppose to be only 12 Apostles; Judas was called for his own purpose-to betray Yahshua-because Yahshua had to fulfill the things spoken about him. Judas like Paul, was not an Apostle. Paul was to fulfill the prophecy given in Numbers
He taught his people in the churches not to listen to anyone else. He told them that the other Apostles were False, and deceptive.
When he preached in rich churches he took money for it and admitted to his people he robbed the churches to do them (his church) service.
The true Apostles and elders were so unhappy with Paul, that they said he had to stop preaching.
Paul taught that the commandments caused people to sin and they had been done away with.
Ephesians 2:8-16
8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.
15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16. And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby
2 Corinthians 11
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4. For if he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
5. For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
6. But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
7. Have I committed an offense in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
8. I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
2 Corinthians 12:16
But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.
{Paul condoning his actions}
1 Thessalonians
2. But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.
3. For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile:
4. But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which tries our hearts.
5. For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloak of covetousness; God is witness:
6. Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ.
7. But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherishes her children:
8. So being affectionately desirous of you, we were willing to have imparted unto you, not the gospel of God only, but also our own souls, because ye were dear unto us.
9. For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for laboring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.
10. Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:
11. As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children,
12. That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
13. For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually works also in you that believe.
14. For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15. Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16. Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
17. But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavored the more abundantly to see your face with great desire.
{Paul told the people of his church, if one of the congregation committed fornication, they should come together and kill that person so his soul would be saved}
1 Corinthians 5
1It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9. I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments
Jesus crucified is what Paul taught and no one else.
It wasn’t his death, it was about his life to live as he did. Love, truth, power, and most of all GOD
Sonfollowers
Please give your definition of "out of context"
Deborah,
When I say out of context, here's what I mean: Most verses in the Bible require that we read the verses before it and the verses after in order to clearly understand what that verse is communicating. We can take a verse "out of context" by looking at a verse in isolation (apart from the surrounding text) and trying to make sense of it by itself. Hopefully that clears that up. My concern is that the verses you cited in your original hub were not understood correctly.
You seem to not be interested in going point by point through my original email, so I'll play along and walk through yours. I do have questions, so please respond to these when you get a chance.
"There were suppose to be only 12 Apostles"
Do you have supporting scripture that states that there is a limitation on the number of apostles?
"Judas like Paul, was not an Apostle. Paul was to fulfill the prophecy given in Numbers."
What is your definition of an apostle?
"He taught his people in the churches not to listen to anyone else. He told them that the other Apostles were False, and deceptive."
Supporting scripture? There were people teaching false doctrine. He never tried to discredit the twelve.
"When he preached in rich churches he took money for it and admitted to his people he robbed the churches to do them (his church) service."
Supporting scripture?
"The true Apostles and elders were so unhappy with Paul, that they said he had to stop preaching."
Supporting scripture?
"Paul taught that the commandments caused people to sin and they had been done away with."
Paul's message was slightly different from that of Jesus. That's true enough. Earlier I explained why that is. To repeat, most of Jesus' words were before his death and resurrection. All of the verses you mention are from early in his ministry. He did not actually talk a lot about the new covenant other than to forshadow that it was coming. He was speaking to Jews who were still very much under the law. See Jeremiah 31:31-34. Even Jeremiah stated that the old covenant (the law) would be replaced by a new covenant. "'I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts... 'And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins." Jesus fulfilled this. Paul told the world about it.
So you're throwing away Luke, Acts, all of Paul's letters, and all of Peter's letters (am I missing anything?). You say their unreliable. What then is your source of information regarding the infighting you say existed between Paul and the other apostles?
"Jesus crucified is what Paul taught and no one else.
It wasn’t his death, it was about his life to live as he did. Love, truth, power, and most of all GOD"
This is a HUGE distinction. I'm so glad you said this. The crucified and resurrected Christ as foundational. All of the gospels build to those two foundational moments. Without them, there is no reason to follow Jesus at all. He was nothing more than a good teacher. His crucifixion and resurrection were so incredibly important that he predicted them multiple times. So what then is the purpose of Judas' betrayal (which you say must have been fulfilled) and what was the point of the crucifixion and resurrection? I'm assuming that you don't deny that the events took place. So what is the significance of those events then? Jesus certainly never discussed the importance of them. He just did them. He left it up to others to fill in the gaps.
Thanks for spending the time doing this. It's been a very interesting process so far.
I was going point by point. Your first debate was about Paul's gospel and that is exactly what I commented on.
The problem with you is that you don't read what is written and you read with the thought of justifying Paul.
I stated that Paul said he robed the church and posted the scripture, than you came back and read the beginning and say you want proof. Yet I posted the scriptures that you did not read.
When you ask someone to explain, try to read what they write. An open mind is a great gift. Try reading my last post, you'll find the answers.
You are always posting your comments twice. Why are you being redundant?
Paul's gospel was not a little different from Yahshua's, it was opposite everything Yahshua taught. Read my hub "Apostle Paul Vs Yahshua Messiah's Teaching"
Read it here http://hubpages.com/hub/Apostle-Paul-VS-Yahsua-Mes
God has twelve tribes
Revelation 21:12
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
There was an Apostle for every tribe
Revelation 21:14
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Interesting verses from Revelation. It doesn't give us the names, but I would assume that they are either the original twelve chosen by Jesus (including Judas) or the twelve after the new apostles were selected. There's not a lot of detail there, and for all we know Paul could have taken the place of Judas in the list. The names aren't given to us, so all you have based on that is assumptions. Nothing there discredits Paul or his ministry.
So let's deal with two of your claims. Please provide supporting scripture for the two points below:
"He taught his people in the churches not to listen to anyone else. He told them that the other Apostles were False, and deceptive."
"The true Apostles and elders were so unhappy with Paul, that they said he had to stop preaching."
I gave scripture for those things in my post above. All you have to do is READ it.
The way we know these things is to pray and study. You say I am isolating scripture, but is you. You have to read the prophesies , the old testament is important to study. And put the whole bible together. It’s all right there if you seek it.
1. Acts 1:26
And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
8But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.
9And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.
At this point no one was called an Apostle yet because Yahshua had not been taken up,
1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
Matthias was chosen as the twelfth Apostle. There were 11 and Matthias became one of them and he was 1. 1+11=12
These 12 were chosen. Paul chose himself.
Judas was never an Apostle and according to the prophecy of David. After Judas betrayed Yahshua another would take his bishopric.
Matthias took his place.
Acts 1
16Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
The first part of acts was about the Apostles and Peter’s ministry, than sudden;ly it was all about Paul.
His scribe copied the books (that’s one of the things a scribe did)
Paul said it is Ok that he lied if the lie is for God’s glory.
Romans 3:7, “For if the truth of God hath abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
HERE PAUL says he charged money and robbed the other churches
2 Corinthians 11
6. But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
7. Have I committed an offense in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
8. I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
Again, you're using the book of Acts to make your case which was written by Luke who you say is untrustworthy. If Luke is untrustworthy for the points I want to make, we should consider him untrustworthy for the points you want to make as well. Otherwise, you're contradicting yourself. So please find verses that make your case other than those that are from books that you want to discredit. I keep asking for verses because I am ignoring all of your references from books you say are excluded from the Bible. Perhaps you should too.
Once again you are not reading what I said..above I said..
The first part of acts was about the Apostles and Peter’s ministry, than suddenly it was all about Paul.
I never once said those books are unreliable. Paul told Luke about his conversion and ministry. And because Paul claimed to be an Apostle he started writing in "the acts of the Apostles.
I will continue to use the books related to the Apostles. I will also use Paul's letters because they prove what he said.
God showed me this truth. I came out of the Christian church a long time ago. You are definitely a Pauline christian.
Yahshua said those not of God would not see or hear the truth.
Look at my poll above.
What evidence could you possibly have that says that Paul was writing his own story in the book of Acts? I think it must be a wild guess on your part.
BTW, you misquoted Romans 3:7-- "But," someone might still argue, "how can God condemn me as a sinner if my dishonesty highlights his truthfulness and brings him more glory?" He never admits to sinning here. He is presenting an argument that some people might use (one that he disagrees with).
About 2 Corinthians...
I may be unskilled as a speaker, but I'm not lacking in knowledge. We have made this clear to you in every possible way. Was I wrong when I humbled myself and honored you by preaching God's Good News to you without expecting anything in return? I "robbed" other churches by accepting their contributions so I could serve you at no cost. And when I was with you and didn't have enough to live on, I did not become a financial burden to anyone. For the brothers who came from Macedonia brought me all that I needed. I have never been a burden to you, and I never will be."
The word "robbed" here is a figure of speech! He robbed other churches by accepting their contributions??? The word contributions means voluntary, and "accepted" means it was likely unsolicited.
From the comment of thirst for truth:
"According to Scripture, here is how you will know who belongs to YHVH and who belongs to satan: 1 John 3:8"
Consider three other verses (two from this same letter from John and one from James the brother of Jesus) which contradict your understanding of this verse:
"My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world." (1 John 2:1-2)
"If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts." (1 John 1:8-10)
"Dear brothers and sisters,* not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged more strictly.2 Indeed, we all make many mistakes. For if we could control our tongues, we would be perfect and could also control ourselves in every other way." (James 3:1-2)
It's best to interpret the Bible according to the rest of the scripture around it. You assume that 1 John 3:8 is saying that real Christians never sin. That's not true, according to other verses in the book. We should certainly do our best avoid sin, but no one but Jesus is completely without sin. This even includes you. We still sin and will continue to sin until we die. To practice sinning is to wilfully choose a life of sin and refuse to turn, repent, etc. This Paul never did.
I misquoted NOTHING. I am using a KJV that is hundreds of years old. You don't want to learn you want to argue. I will not respond to you as long as this is the case. You are trying so hard to prove me wrong, but you can't. You also, except for Paul's writings, can't prove Paul was converted or was an Apostle. Yahshua said there will be 2 or 3 witnesses for things of God. Most things Paul said, had no witness that said it also.
Even when he said "it is written" it isn't. and when it sounds as though he could have meant this verse, he didn't have the same meaning.
It is really sad you are blind to the truth.
It is very clear that Paul was relating his story to Luke, as a small example read
From Acts chapter 7 and on, it is this way
In Acts 22:9-13, Paul, apparently speaking through Luke, gives account of the vision agan but this time says, "Those who were with me saw the light but did not hear the voice of the one who was speaking with me."
On the road to Damascus, Saul claims to see a vision. Luke documents this account, first in Acts. Paul's own words contadict the first account of what happened on the road to Damascus. Here is the account by Luke:
Acts 9:3-9 Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed about him. And he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting; but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do. The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one."
Paul was blinded and sent to Ananias who is to tell what his mission is and to heal his blindness. By the above account, which is apparently Paul's account, no witnesses are actually named leaving us wondering if there even were any. Apparently these witnesses heard the voice and yet, where are the names and how do we know if they really did hear anything? When Yah'shuah appeared to the twelve and to the 120, there were credible witnesses. Here, in Paul's account, there are no credible witnesses. When Yah'shuah was baptized there were witnesses: John the Baptist, the disciples of John and the voice from Heaven which they all heard. Even Andrew, Yah'shuah's Apostle, was a witness. At the transfiguration of Yah'shuah, there were also named witnesses.
In Acts 22:9-13, Paul,gives account of the vision agan but this time says, "Those who were with me saw the light but did not hear the voice of the one who was speaking with me." The first time, they saw no light but heard a voice and this time, they saw a light but didn't hear a voice. How is it, that Paul was apparently blinded by the brightness of this light but the witnesses to the light were not?
In Acts 26:13-14, Paul's tune changes yet again as he speaks with King Agrippa. The vision is suddenly even more dramatic, including that the people with him also fell to the ground.
Acts 26:13-14- At midday, O King, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining round me and those who journeyed with me. And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language . . .
Suddenly, there is no mention of Ananias or of being blinded and also, this time, Paul claims he actually sees Jesus AND that he is instructed then and there what his so called mission is to be.
Acts 26:16-18 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Where is mention of the first "instructions" to go to Ananias and receive further instruction plus get healed of the blindness Paul forgets to mention to King Agrippa? Funny how at first, there are witnesses and instructions to see Ananias for healing but now, it's all Paul centered. Another thing to mention is that Yah'shuah NEVER blinded nor maimed anyone during His ministry but completely HEALED them instead. Now, we see Yah'shuah, according to Paul, causing blindness! Furthermore, when Yah'shuah did heal a person, it was total, yet Paul often complains of the permanent problems with his sight and blames the thorn in his flesh on Satan.
See how Paul's subtle changes of his conversion account are enough to pictate him as untrustworthy? First Saul sees a great light from Heaven, surrounding him and the "others with him" and hears the voice. By this account, he believes that he has been given a calling to minister to the Gentiles. Luke says, in Acts 19:20, that Paul immediately began to preach Christ to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles. According to Luke, all of this happened right after his vision but in the other versions of how Saul began his so called mission to the Gentiles, he doesn't begin until years after his vision.
Paul very sneakily mentions his vison again, but tries to connect his 'conversion experience' to the actual resurrection as witnessed by the twelve and 120 disciples, as though he were indeed part of that group who faithfully followed Yah'shuah AND was an actual witness to His resurrection when he wasn't Look!
Paul speaking of the resurrection:
1 Corinthians 15:3-8 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the Apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
I do not sin!
Anyone who does sin freely or when it suits him, is not of God
1. John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law
Paul said that with his mind he serves the Law of God, but with his flesh he serves the law sof in.
Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Paul says he sins
Romans 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Romans 7:14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Carnal means physical and sexual
Here Paul is saying he doesn’t allow himself to do good,
he said he finds a law in him that if he wants to do good, he does evil instead. And because it is the law that brings sin, then it is no longer him doing the evil, but the sin that is in him,
What a bunch of crap!
And this is the man the Christians let hold their salvation in his hands
Romans 7
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
5I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
In chapter 7, Paul is describing how hopelessly futile it is for us to try to be holy on our own. If it weren't, what would have been the point of Christ's sacrifice? By nature, we are all sinners. But the Holy Spirit gives us the ability to overcome that nature, which is what Paul discusses in chapter 8. Chapter 7 primarily exists as a contrast to chapter 8, intended to show that holiness is produced in us by God Himself and not by our own work apart from Him. Again, you can't interpret the Bible by looking at verses in isolation.
You read Paul's letters looking for verses you can use as ammunition, rather than reading them trying to understand them. If you try the latter, maybe Paul's writings will begin to make more sense to you.
I' not sure what modern bible you are reading, but it has been doctored. Here is the same verse I quoted online. This is before they started moderizing it.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans
Of course I post Paul's wrong sayings, it's what this hub is about.
Like I said, I use to be a Christian, but God showed me the truth and led me out.
Becoming a child of God requires that we humans become down-to-earth, realistic, rigorously honest, and very sensitive. We must pay attention to all of who and what we are; i.e., our own thoughts, little kid gut feelings, emotions, intuitions, suspicions, attitudes, motivations, and BEHAVIORS. We must also believe and obey God's commandments.
Paul knew that. Therefore, he sought to seduce you Christians into damnation by suckering you into willfully disobeying God's commandments. One of the ways that Paul deceived you was by seducing you into mentally living in Fantasy Land oblivious to reality, the way things really are. That Paul even seduced you into ignoring the wickedness of your own behaviors is obvious.
Now suppose that the Master were back in the flesh today, and you were commanded to keep your mental focus on getting to know His Spirit -- the Spirit of God within Him. How could you do that without paying very close attention to what He says and does? Any person who ignores what He says and does, and keeps his focus on seeking the Spirit without any of the Spirit's Doctrine to follow is going to live in La-La Land. And every person who lives in La-La Land is oblivious to who and what God really is, what He has to say, what He does, how He is activated inside oneself, and what He is all about. All the person who ignores God's commandments succeeds in doing is suckering himself into believing the same insane idiotologies promoted by any and all of the world's pagan religions.
Now add the reality that Satan is the great imitator. He seeks to imitate God and the effects the Spirit has on us humans in every aspect. For instance, when we do what is right, God strokes us from within. He enlivens, refreshes, and energizes us. When we do what is wrong, however, Satan also strokes us with "good feelings." Those good feelings are intoxication. Our being emotionally and/or sexually intoxicated feels very nice initially. While intoxicated, we, too, feel enlivened, refreshed, and energized. A child of God must, therefore, gain the ability to separate Satan's intoxication from God's strokes inside himself. Each person must gain the ability to see for himself how self-defeating his indulging in intoxicating behaviors is. He must then choose for himself to put down those intoxicating behaviors. The only place where we can learn how to do that, and gain the power to say no to intoxication, is through the Spirit of the Son of God Himself.
You misunderstood what I was saying. I am in no way saying that sin is ok and we should just keep doing it (neither was Paul--see Romans chapter 8). As mentioned in an earlier comment, 1 John 1:8-10 together with 1 John 2:1-2 says that we all sin despite our best efforts and that God is faithful to forgive us when we ask for it. This is not Paul writing. It's John.
The pharisees believed that they were acceptable to God because they "followed the law." But even they could not win God's grace by following the law any more than you can. No one can live without a single sin, because the standard is too high. If they could have, there would have been no need for Old Testament animal sacrifices. A single sin is enough to separate us from God. Are you saying you've never sinned in your life? If so, John says you are calling the Almighty God a liar which is itself a sin. So then how do you propose to avoid damnation as you called it? How do you avoid the damnation God says your sin deserves? I'm interested in your perspective on this. Ultimately, your sin must be dealt with as well. You can't simply follow the law starting now because your sin has already made you unclean. Since you seem to not believe in salvation through faith, how do you bridge the gap between you and God? Are you still doing animal sacrifices? That's what they were doing when Jesus showed up.
I will post my answers separately because you tend to not read them if they all together
Not once did I say I have never sinned. I said I do not sin.
Ok, so that's good news. At least you agree that you've sinned in the past. So what to do then about that sin in your past? Where did it go? How do you receive forgiveness for that sin?
So you are saying that you will live a sinless life from now until you leave this Earth, right? You will never sin again as long as you live? This includes the sin of pride, by the way.
PAUL’S SCRIPTURES THAT DO NOT EXIST
Because Paul was not righteous and because he didn’t want anyone else to be..he claimed the Bible said there were none that were righteous
Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
ISAIAH WAS A PROPHET OF GOD AND SPOKE OF THE RIGHTEOUS
Isaiah 57
1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.
THE ONLY SCRIPTURE THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO PAUL’S
IS IN PSALMS, AND IT IS SPEAKING OF THE FOOL
Psalm 53
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
3Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
PAUL’S SCRIPTURES THAT DO NOT EXIST
Because Paul was not righteous and because he didn’t want anyone else to be..he claimed the Bible said there were none that were righteous
Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
ISAIAH WAS A PROPHET OF GOD AND SPOKE OF THE RIGHTEOUS
Isaiah 57
1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.
THE ONLY SCRIPTURE THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO PAUL’S
IS IN PSALMS, AND IT IS SPEAKING OF THE FOOL
Psalm 53
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
3Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
IT IS SPEAKING OF THE FOOL
The fool hath said in his heart,
It goes on to say God is in the generation of the righteous
5. There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous
In Chapter 16 It says there are saints
3. But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.
"God looked down from heaven upon the children of men to see if there were ANY that did understand, that did seek God. EVERY ONE OF THEM IS GONE BACK."
This is not limited to any one group, fools or otherwise.
Abraham was counted as righteous because of his faith and not because he had no sin.
"And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." KJV
Job was considered to be blameless, and yet he was chastised for his pride. He later had to repent in chapter 42.
You forgot to answer my question about what becomes of your sin. Please explain your position on this.
Thanks.
I have no problem going with the KJV if that makes you happy. I grew up with it actually, so no big deal to me.
Consider the passage from Psalm 53 again. Verse one is about the fool, but only verse one. The subject does not transfer to verse two. He purposely broadens the scope in verse two to include all of the "children of men". Verse two could be paraphrased "There are no children of men who understand and who seek God." It doesn't say "There are no children of men who understand and who seek God except for those who aren't fools (see verse #1 for details)." You seem to have added that last bit. Bottom line: There is none that doeth good. Not one.
About saints, that way doesn't imply a sinless life. The word saint is reserved for believers, those who have been saved or born again. Being born again is in fact the only way to enter the Kingdom of God. Not perfection but rebirth. Those are the words of Jesus, by the way. See John chapter 3.
Below is what I said to you before.and any intelligent person will know the above verses are there because I said
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"I will post my answers separately because you tend to not read them if they all together
See above
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I am not arguing with anyone, I'm, posting scripture.
I read and speak both Hebrew and Greek, I am an ordained minister and my husband is a rabbi. People are converted to the truth weekly because of our teachings. I am doing you a favor by posting the truth.
Maybe you should pray instead of taking up for the person who perverted the Gospel and Yahshua's teachings
James was Yahshua's brother but you believe Paul over him?
It was Abraham's works
James 2
WE HAVE TO HAVE WORKS AND THEY WILL BUILD OUR FAITH
10. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all
11. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
14. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
17. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
21. Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? ( PAUL LIED AND SAID ABRAHAM’S FAITH JUSTIFIED HIM)
22. Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23. And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
WE ARE JUSTIFIED BY WORKS
24. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
James and Paul do not disagree here. James is saying that faith (belief in God) with no resulting works (action) will not save you. A saving faith will result in action as we live out our faith. If there are no works then you were not born again. Works in no way implies perfection or sinlessness. Like I said before, John clearly says that we will sin sometimes and that God will forgive us when we do. Sinning occasionally is different from willfully choosing sin as a lifestyle.
Do you not recognize that salvation requires a transaction (being born again)? If we could have been saved by following the law, Jesus' sacrifice would not have been necessary. We are not saved by our sinlessness. This was your Yahshua's message, not Paul's.
Again
WE ARE JUSTIFIED BY WORKS
James 2
24. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
It is works that makes our faith perfect not the other way round.
by works was faith made perfect?
And Paul said Abraham was justified by faith alone, works not included.
We are speaking of Paul not of me
When asked by a lawyer what the most important commandment in the LAW was, Jesus reportedly answered (as reported in Matt 22:36-40 and Luke 10:25-37) with references from the Old Testament, that the GREATEST law was to love god (see Deut 6:5) and the second was to love your neighbor as yourself (see Lev 18:19). In the Luke text, the lawyer specifically asks what is necessary for eternal life (verse 25) and after Jesus references the two GREAT commandments, he says "This DO and you will live" (verse 28) -- showing clearly that salvation is related to works/deeds/actions, however important faith might be to motivating such behavior. Note further, that in the Luke version, this was illustrated by an example, the parable of the Good Samaritan, which was used to define "neighbor" very broadly, to include enemies. The Samaritan (the lowest of the outcasts) is the one who exemplifies this broad definition, and who provides the example of one who is saved by their compassionate actions toward their enemy. Yet the Samaritan is not even a believer, not one having "faith" and not one who has accepted Jesus as savior, yet this is who Jesus chooses as the example of one who gains eternal life, which is what the lawyer specifically asked.
Another time during his ministry, Jesus taught that the people who would go to heaven (be saved) must be as little children (Matt. 18:4-5; 19:14; Mark 9:36-37; 10:14-15; Luke 18:15-17), while Paul wrote that maturity demands us to forsake the things of childhood (I Cor 13:11).
Thus, Jesus teaches us that the kingdom of heaven will be filled with those who lived their lives in active compassion and childlike innocence, while Paul envisions a heaven of crusty, serious "mature" grouches who merely have to profess "acceptance of" or "belief in" Jesus without ever actually performing a single kind, compassionate, cheerful or childishly playful deed.
In his last teaching before going to the upper room for the Last Supper and the "beginning of the end," Jesus described in Matt. 25:31-45 the final judgment as being based solely and entirely on behavioral responses to internalized compassion. And Jesus makes it very clear that those who DO express universal compassion in behavioral action WILL BE SAVED, and those who do not will NOT be saved. Period. There is no other qualification.
Everything I say, you say I said something else.
Do you think it's easy to be born again (become like a child means to wipe the slate and begin again) They tell us to be born again, so it is somethings we do. It takes a lot of work and Yahshua showed us we can do it only if we have love.
I don't like the words you use just because you don't understand the bible and want to lash out.
I will not read or approve any more of your posts
You have been asking about my salvation which is personal and has nothing to do with the subject of the hub. I told you that before, and you said I was dancing around it.
What has posting scripture have to do with lashing out.
Hubs are not for debating, go to the forums if you want to debate. There are a lot of people who will argue with pleasure there
I haven't been hiding your posts, I've been deleting them. I am not afraid of anything, much less you. You see the word as 1 dimensional.
The English and Greek Old Testament does not say what the true Hebrew writings do. From the very first translations into Latin and Greek, the Scriptures were changed, the words and the meanings
Paul did not quote from Genesis
What you call Genesis, In Hebrew is Bereishit and it does not say what the English bible says.
What you call Genesis, In Hebrew is Bereishit
There is no second he in the verse. That is an interpolated he. (There is also no semicolon.) It really says:
And he believed in the LORD and counted it to him for righteousness. (Bereishit 15:6) (Gen 15:6.)
Several Jewish scholars concur that in Genesis 15:6b, it is Abraham reckoning God’s promise as righteous. It is not God reckoning Abraham as righteous. These scholars were not writing anti-Christian diatribes. Rather, these comments were spoken in ordinary Jewish commentary and lessons.
This view is shared by the famous Talmudic-era commentary on Exodus known as Mekilta de Rabbi Ishmael, Beshallah 4 (ed. Jacob Lauterbach)(Philadelphia: Jewish Publication Society, 1933) Vol. I at 220. This dates back to the fourth or fifth century A.D.
Who is the subject of the verb counted? Abraham. He is the one counting or reckoning the promise of a child in old-age in Genesis 15:5 as a righteous deed of God. English syntax is the same as Hebrew syntax. The subject of the second clause is the subject of the first clause: here Abraham. Thus, this verse never had anything to do with justification by God of Abraham. God is not the one doing any of the reckoning in the Hebrew version of Genesis 15:6. Rather, this verse is how Abraham viewed God’s promise as righteousness — as a faithful act of God.
The Mekilta explains Genesis 15:6 in a series of questions and answers by various rabbis. Shemaiah has God explain why He parted the Red Sea: “The faith with which their father Abraham believed in Me is deserving that I should divide the sea for them,” for it is said, “And he believed in the Lord [Gen 15:6a] and “he counted it unto him for (doing) charity [with his offspring].”58 That is, the Mekilta means the one who is counting is Abraham. He is counting the promise by God as charity (righteousness) toward his children.
Frequent Mention In Scripture Of the Righteousness Of God
Ramban’s and the Mekilta’s view of Genesis 15:6 fits well with the many passages where the psalmist gives a praise for God’s righteousness. That’s all Abraham was doing in Genesis 15:6. He was simply reckoning the promise from God as more proof of the righteousness of God.
One example is Psalm 7:17: “I will give to the LORD the thanks due to his righteousness, and I will sing praise to the name of the LORD, the Most High.” (See also Ps 5:7-8; 22:30-31; 31:1; 35: 28; 26:5-6,10; 40:11; 51:13-15; 69:27; 71:14-15a, 18b-19, 24; 88:12; 143:1,11).
Also, Ramban’s view matches how God speaks often of His own righteousness: “I will uphold you with the right hand of my righteousness.” (Isaiah 41:10.)
Most important, Ramban’s reading fits both Micah’s and Nehemiah’s depiction of God’s “faithfulness” and “steadfast love” and “righteousness” toward Abraham. This then makes sense of Genesis 15:6 as merely Abraham praising God for the same trait which is prophetically recognized.
Thus, first we read in Micah: “Who is a God like thee, pardoning iniquity and passing over transgression?... Thou wilt show faithfulness to Jacob and steadfast love to Abraham, as thou hast sworn to our fathers from the days of old.” (Micah 7:18-20.) God will show righteousness to the sons.
Lastly, we read in Nehemiah, this account of God’s dealing with Abraham:
Thou art YHVH the God, who didst choose Abram, and... gavest him the name of Abraham, (8) and foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanite,...., to give it unto his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous. (Neh 9:7-8 ASV.)
The pattern is identical between Genesis 15:6, Micah and Nehemiah: there is mention of the promise of seed to Abraham which is then followed by praise of God as “faithful,” having “steadfast love” and He is “righteous.” Thus, it makes perfect sense that Genesis 15:6 is saying Abraham believed God about the promise and then he (Abraham) reckoned it to Him (God) as righteousness.
This is what is required to be an Apostle (remember Paul and Luke did not take over Acts until the 7th chapter)
Acts 1
21. Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22. Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
When choosing the 12th Apostle, there was only 2 who met the requirements
Paul’s revelations about salvation by faith alone and the abolishment of the Law has been poisoning the church for more than 2000 years. Yahushua spent 3 ½ years in the flesh teaching the twelve chosen apostles to keep the Law. Do you really believe Yahushua changed his mind, and suddenly gave ‘new revelations’ to Paul/Saul the Pharisee? There is no basis for Paul’s doctrine other than Paul’s own word.
"Let another man praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips." Proverbs 27:2
Paul clearly reveals his corrupt spirit when he says, “I become all things to all men…”, I Corinthians 9:19-22. Paul’s words speak for himself.
YAHUSHUA SAYS IF WE TESTIFY ABOUT OURSELVES, OUR TESTIMONY IS NOT TRUE.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb.
So where did this "thirteenth Apostles" come from?
If someone still believed Paul was a legitimate apostle, If he was the greatest apostle who ever lived, as Christianity made him out to be, why didn't YHVH give him the greatest prophecy ... the book of Revelation? There are some interesting facts surrounding the book of Revelation, and things Yahushua said recorded in it that answer the question why Paul was not given the "Revelation". Paul wasn't given the Revelation because part of the message of Revelation REVEALS the very purpose of exposing him as a false apostle! There is good reason why Yahushua used John the beloved apostle. He was one of the 12 original apostles Yahushua had been with for three and a half years training to be His witness, and He said that John's testimony would remain till He returned.
Yahshua’s description of Paul in Revelation was that he was a false apostle, and a liar. Consider his following words. (message to the Ephesians)
Rev 2:3 I know your works, and your labour, and your patience, and how you cannot bear them which are evil: and you has tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and has found them liars:
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
. We have record of Paul claiming to be an apostle to the Ephesians.
"Paul, an apostle of Yahushua by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus," Ephesians 1:1
We have no record of anyone else claiming to be an apostle to anyone anywhere, not even to the Ephesians.
Paul and his doctrine had troubles being accepted in Ephesus.
Paul’s writings are filled with too many examples that conflict with Yahushua’s teachings. Paul clearly denied Torah Law. Yahushua clearly said the Law does not pass away.
Deuteronomy 4:2 "You shall not add to the WORDS which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of YHVH your Ulhim which I command you."
Deuteronomy 12:32 "Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it"
Proverbs 30:6 "Do not add to HIS WORDS or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar"
To the Torah ,even to the Testimony (The Ten Commandments), If they do not speak according to this WORDS, there is no light of dawn in them." - Isaiah 8:20
So it's clear. According to the Law (WORDS OF YHVH)anyone who teaches contrary to the Law is a false prophet. Why? The Law is an everlasting covenant and commandment; One who says that the Law is true, but no longer applicable, contradicts his own words and contradicts the teaching in the TORAH.
Paul said that when the law was still in force, faith had not yet come, Galatians 3:23. However, he contradicts this in Romans 4:3, 22. Which way is it?
ECCLESIASTES 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; fear YHVH and keep His Commandments; for this is the whole duty of man.
NOTES: Fear YHVH and keep His Commandments, be truly wise and not mix our pure worship with lies from the false apostles.
Thirst for Truth is a great name for you. You have ears that hear and eyes that see. A true child of God.
Many Blessings
This is a great article. I have a few on Hubpages myself.
This remark made by Paul made my blood run cold the first time I read it.
PAUL THE MURDERER
Paul said if one of the members of their church commits fornication, the other members are to come together and kill the fornicator so his soul will be saved ( according to Paul it was OK for him to sin because he couldn’t help it.)
Paul said a sinner in the midst of them (a little leaven) would cause the others to sin and they were to purge the sinners out. Paul stated this was all in the name of Yahshua (Jesus.)
Paul said he was the judge of the fornicators in the church, and God is the judge of those in the world
1 Corinthians 5
1It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
Paul was both a scribe and a Pharisee. Read all of Matthew 13, and see how Jesus felt about them.
Matthew 23:13 (1-39)
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Everything Paul taught is opposite what Yahshua (Jesus) taught.
Yahshua said the children of God are to testify against the GENTILES
Matthew 10:18
And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Yahshua said the children of God would be hated for his name’s sake.
Jesus is not the son’s name and God is not HaShem’s name
Paul to the Ephesians: "I am an apostle of Yahshua"
The Ephesians to Paul: "No you're not."
Yahshua to the Ephesians: "Well done!"
You can add Paul, the coward! also. I had a strange feeling from the first time i've readed Paul's letters that is something wrong with them. I enjoy reading the Bible,and i mostly enjoy the teachings of Yeshua but Paul's writtings are hard to swallow. Anyway, i was very marked about Paul's action in Acts when he asks for Caesar to judge him (not to mention that Caesar at that time was none other than Nero). I mean is kinda ironic, to be a man of God and to say "For I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus." Acts 21:12,13" and after that saying "I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged." This is the height of hypocrisy for Paul in light of the fact that he had previously instructed the Corinthians not to seek justice from the unrighteous.
Several weeks ago, I was lying in bed, just about to drift off, when I heard the words, "Paul is the antichrist". I had been raised on his letters just like everyone else, and I spent a great deal of time trying to reconcile the things he wrote with the things written in the rest of scripture and with Jesus' own words and actions. At first the idea that he was the antichrist was very frightening to me, because to think I had been deceived my whole life was a horrible idea. Not to mention the confusion it caused me about the rest of scripture. But the Lord revealed to me that it is no surprise that Paul's words would make cannon; the serpent was in the garden and Satan went into the throne room to accuse Job. So it's really not surprising that this evil man's words would be included in cannon to deceive, for if people really knew Jesus and really understood scripture they would know that Paul was a liar. How did this man who never even walked with Jesus end up writing most of the New Testament?
Christ's words are, almost exclusively, filtered through what Paul wrote instead of the other way around. It's considered something akin to blasphemy to question the things he said and many churches demand adherence to his commands while ignoring the words of Jesus for the most part. I've listened to more sermons than I care to remember where the speaker preached only from Paul's letters to the churches, using Jesus' words only insofar as they confirm what Paul said.
Paul demanded obedience to his words, and cursed anyone who proclaimed what he called "another gospel". Really? How would you feel if someone told you that if you didn't believe them or if you took a different view of scripture that you were to be a curse? That's a little arrogant, don't you think?
Paul told women to be silent in the churches. I find that odd considering Jesus used a Samaritan woman to save her entire village, and it was women who proclaimed the risen Christ. And Paul told women to submit to their husbands, but Jesus' own mother did not merely ask Jesus to turn water into wine, she commanded Him and He obeyed her. In fact, it was Christ who always submitted to the requests of the women who came to Him, and it was women who financed His ministry.
I'd like to see anyone tell Joyce Meyer to be silent. Or me, for that matter.
Paul claimed God refused to heal him, saying "my grace is sufficient for you." And yet Scripture tells us that "by His stripes we are healed". Paul said that to be absent from the body is to be home with the Lord, and that is another error, for nowhere in the Old Testament are we told that we are meant to dwell anywhere but the earth. We are created in the image of God and we were given dominion over the earth and everything on it and this is why Christ came; to restore not only our relationship with God, but our dominion over this planet. The curse of Adam speaks of not just spiritual death, but physical death, and it was this curse that Christ came to conquer. Heaven is not in some magical, fairy tale other dimension. We were ALWAYS intended to dwell here on earth, for Jesus promised that the "meek shall inherit the earth".
Paul even claimed that it was not he that was speaking, but Christ through him. How arrogant do you have to be to make such a claim? His arrogance was so unlike Christ that it's obvious to me now that he is the antichrist, and his words have enslaved people to death for 2000 years.
It is refreshing to find others who know the truth as well. I believe that Paul is the "abomination that brings desolation" and because of his lies people are dying waiting for a resurrection they should already have. Jesus said "it is finished" and then Saul showed up and demanded everyone do things his way, thus nullifying the finished work of the cross. He set himself up as an authority and called himself an apostle even though to be an apostle he would have had to be a disciple first, and even the other apostles rejected him as a liar.
Dana
Very well said and accurate
I am so happy to know you are of God.
splendid.so there is someone else who does. had suffered much before got to know.just follow eye witnes account of God; son. to do that , you exclude luke who followed paul and couldnot even interprete the aramaic of his days correctly. is barrabba son of consolationacts4?. paul never saw God;s son. he heard him on damascus road and not saw. all he saw after that was false-macedonian man and co. when he heard Him on damascus road, he was told to go to the city and be taught. he disobeyed because of his pharisaic pride. read galatians 1and 2. to find out where he went- the desert. secondly,God;s son said that whosoever belHIm would do His works and more.paul di not. when they examined him, he could only reply by pointing to his suffering which were actually punishments. christians today views God;s chastizing hands through pauls lies.the 12 malachis of the Son of God-less one- did His works. paul did not. he was ' shipwrecked and sick with (sick followers like timothy who must take some wine for frequent illness,)and hungry et al.he said so himself.in his 2 letters to thecorrinthians he even had someone die while he talked. when he was questioned , he refered to the 11 as ;super apostles; so he agreed they had what he doesn. the Son also ssaid that if anyone serves him, God would honour him. in the book of acts, luke could only record men and demons or demonaics honouring paul.acts15,16. contrast kepha(peter) who was introduced to cornelius by an angel acts10.. when paul judged one of his followers who was sleeping with his stepmum, he survived it and paul had to restate him. whe kepha sentenced a couple to death, they died instantly. paul was not an impostor. he was a conceited, deluded man who would have gladly taken up job as a roman soldier for only a day if only to participate in the killing of God;s son! and he would have gladly paid a large sum of money for the privilege!
your post is not too bad
Hi Deborah,
Very sorry I had not seen your posts earlier. I have just published a book called "The Misunderstanding" and I googled the title just to see if it was listed yet with amazon. (it isn't, only the kindle version is listed). It was then that I saw your article and your name (nice picture by the way).
My book is about metaphors and I quote Paul of Tarsus extensively because he was a student of Gamaliel and therefore was very familiar with the use of the Hebrew language. His conclusions, however, are a different matter and I agree with the basic thrust of what you are saying thou I never went as far as to say Paul was the anti christ.
Regardless, for me the main issues are that Paul is a Benjaminite and his original name was Saul. He was a Pharisee, not a former Pharisee. He clearly stated his ideas about sex were not from God. Finally, the blood brought into the Holy of the Holies is goat's blood, not the blood of a lamb and the high priest only entered the Holy of the Holies on Yom Kippur, so everything Paul wrote on this subject was clearly made up.
Anyway, I am a little busy today, but I will re-read your posts during the week. Do you have a website? My site is: http://religiousperspectives.into all the best, dror
JoelMcLendon 23 months ago
Acts 13 and 1 John 2 should be all the proof you need to see Paul is a false Prophet. But even with that, some will believe Paul anyway. They will all find out one day.
Great Job. I.L.Y.